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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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is

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fear and the oldest and strongest type

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of

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane

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my name is lon strickler join me as i

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examine

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unexplained creatures strange

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manifestations and remarkable realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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together

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of rocking radio where

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we explore

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the unexplained live on beyond

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explanation

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i'm your host lon strickler coming to

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you within a cannon shot

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of gettysburg pennsylvania i hope you

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so that should be interesting i hope

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you'll watch it

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so tonight i welcome cryptid

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and paranormal research and author david

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weatherly

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to arcane radio now david has traveled

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the world in pursuit of ghost cryptids

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ufos magic

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and more from the specters of dusty

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castles to remote haunted islands

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from ancient sites to modern mysteries

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he has journeyed to most unusual places

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on the globe seeking the unknown

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david became fascinated with paranormal

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at a young age ghost stories and

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accounts of weird creatures and ufos led

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him to discover

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many of these early influences writers

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such as john keel

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jacques villa hans holzer and and

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others set him on the course spending

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his life exploring and investigating the

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undone

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and the unexplained his shamanic and

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magical background

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has given him a unique perspective

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in his explanation explorations into the

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unknown and he continues the right

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travel explorer

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leaving no stone unturned in his quest

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for the screens and unusual

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david has investigated and written

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about a diverse range of topics

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hauntings cryptozoology

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shamanism magic and psychic phenomena

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in 2012 david founded independent media

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and publishing company leprechaun

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productions

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david's newest books are monsters at the

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crossroads cryptids and legends of

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indiana

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and more recently monsters of the tar

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heel state

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cryptids and legends of north carolina

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for more information david david

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his website is at erielights.com so

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david my friend thanks for coming on

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this evening

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ron how you doing buddy hanging in there

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glad to see you yeah we we've survived

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so far haven't we

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so far that's right it's been a while

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since we talked

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yeah it has been uh i think you've

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probably written three books since

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then so uh more than that i think but

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you know i i was joking with you in the

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beginning about you and

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redfern fighting each other to see how

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many books you all can

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get out in a certain amount of time i

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think you're catching up with him

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that's kind of the joke right now so

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i love what i do so you know oh i know

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you do and

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you you write some interesting books um

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and you always i tell you and i always

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have to compliment it on the covers of

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the books they're always so fantastic

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uh they're always well done and it's

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always well written

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so i i know i much appreciate that well

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uh indiana the crossroads of america

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what is not what is about indiana you

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it's interesting because it's not that

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large estate is it just because of the

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terrain the history and it's got like

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a very diverse native american history

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there's a lot of different things that

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have happened there

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but the range of cryptid activity and

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paranormal supernatural activity

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it is it absolutely is it's funny too

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oh i'd say maybe five or six years ago

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mainly paranormal cases initially but it

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paranormal case

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people were telling me about cryptids uh

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in the sort of the center of the country

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certainly in the center of the midwest

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and if you look at it historically

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different european influences that came

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frontier right because you say frontier

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oh the wild west you know uh but

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back in history it was a

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very critical

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piece of land historically because the

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french and indian war

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period a lot took place there into the

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civil war a lot of people don't realize

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indiana was kind of divided in a sense

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during the civil war even though it was

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there were a lot of confederate

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sympathizers there

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its southern portion a lot of people

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left indiana and joined the confederate

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so you've got all those things which of

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course also brought a lot of trade

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during the period you know the fur trade

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was big there

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and if you if you look at all these

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different cultural influences and then

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of course the various native american

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tribes uh you look at all these cultural

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influences and

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and blend those together over a period

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of time

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with some other factors i think because

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it is in sort of a central location

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it really does seem to be a crossroads

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not just for

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commerce and things like that but also

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for strange activity because i tell you

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it it runs through that entire state and

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it really is it's almost

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overwhelming when you start looking at

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the cases it's funny you know chad lewis

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a good friend of mine wrote the forward

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for this and

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chad has spent a lot of time in indiana

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probably more than i have

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he doesn't live too far from there he

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lives in wisconsin so

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when we were first talking when i sent

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him the manuscript

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uh and i was talking to him on the phone

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about a couple of the cases in there and

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you know all over the state i i don't

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know about this case so

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he was impressed by the fact that there

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are still so many things undiscovered

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and you know the cryptid uh

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cases there they just they range so far

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of course tons of sasquatch sightings uh

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but also

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a whole range of other weird creatures

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and i know you showed the cover a few

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minutes ago but that's

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the state's arguably the most famous

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cryptid that is the beast of busco

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uh oscar the giant turtle who uh it's

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quite a story and quite a legend

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in the state and has a festival named

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after it uh that

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actually predates the mothman festival

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so you know it's it's one of those few

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cryptid themed festivals that's been

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around for a very long time

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uh all in honor of a giant turtle which

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is you can't beat that right

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no i that you know and as far as

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cryptids go

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that's an unusual one why don't you kind

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of give us a thumbnail

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of what what this beast bus go really is

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sure it's it's a fantastic story it

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really

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starts in the late 1800s when

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a gentleman named oscar fult

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uh who's a farmer spots a giant turtle

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living in a pond on his property now

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folk

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he doesn't really make too big a deal of

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it he he tells some locals and

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the story sort of sticks around uh but

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but nothing much comes of it

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until 1947

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which seems like a long time but it's

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interesting that there's that connection

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there so in 1947 the folk property

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is purchased by a gentleman named gail

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harris who's also a farmer

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and he intends to just live a simple

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farmer's life on the property you know

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what happens is his wife's

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his wife's brother and a friend they go

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out on this pond

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and they come back with the story of

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seeing this giant turtle

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now gail harris that you know he kind of

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he sort of shakes his head you can

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imagine him kind of rolling his eyes

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apparently this brother-in-law of his is

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a little bit of a

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trickster an exaggerator you know so

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gayle is thinking now you know this is

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there's nothing to this

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but the following fall

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1948 harris and a

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friend of his are repairing a roof on

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a barn on the property and

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they spot something in the water that's

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very large

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it's moving about on the surface of the

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pond and

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this is kind of the first sighting that

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harris has

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another one quickly happens and he

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decides to check this out for himself so

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he goes to the pawn

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and he he does sort of an investigation

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well sure enough he spots this

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there's there aren't a whole lot of

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clear descriptions on how big this thing

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is of course the media exaggerates it

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some

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uh harris if you listen to his initial

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reports he's saying that

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the the turtle's head just the head

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was bigger than a baby and that's a

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pretty sizable animal

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so harris who initially calls this thing

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mr turtle and uh refers to it by that

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name for quite some time

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uh decides that he's going to catch this

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creature

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and he sets out makes some attempts to

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do so you know with nets and so forth

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and it's one of those divine things i

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guess it was a slow news week but uh

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somewhere along the way

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uh two things couple things happen the

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locals get wind

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of this turtle story because you know

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small town this is 19 late 1940s

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everybody knows everybody you know it's

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a

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course remember

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the oscar folk story you know well this

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you know the old man folk who

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owned that property and you know the

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turn of the century knew about this

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turtle so

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along the way the turtle gets dubbed

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oscar

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in honor of the original property owner

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oscar fultz

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so oscar the giant turtle uh

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hits the ap wire the the news stories

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start to circulate and suddenly there's

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a growing interest

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in the idea that there is this massive

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turtle in this pond in this little town

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in

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place

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the story is is crazy because

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gail harris really if you if you look at

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the entire

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thing that unfolded and it lasted uh

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from 1948 until really about 1950

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uh during the course of this you see

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this guy gail harris just kind of become

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obsessed

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with catching this turtle it dominates

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his life and

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so much so that he spends all of his

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time and energy and money

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trying to catch this turtle he contrives

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so many strange ways

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to catch this creature he he tries

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nets he tries uh he hires a diver

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at one point bear in mind this is you

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know we're not talking about modern

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divers we're talking about those old you

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know

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giant helmets and a line that has to be

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attached and all this stuff so

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hires a professional diver to go down

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who's convinced that he can go down and

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catch the turtle

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uh and even that's a fiasco every

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every plan it just kind of goes sort of

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haywire

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and things happen so when the diver

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comes in they

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first they don't have gloves they have

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to order those and they have to

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reschedule the dive and then they have

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a problem with the suit leaking and then

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there's something else and there's one

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thing after another

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so the dive the diving scheme doesn't

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work

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he calls in hunters who are uh

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different purported experts on catching

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turtles and so forth

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and they come in with these various uh

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you know

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secret traps and so forth that they're

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gonna use and

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they have no success harris

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finally decides well he's going to drain

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the pond

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and he hooks up this contraption that's

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run

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from the engine of this tractor all

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these

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tubes that come out of the pond he's

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pumping the water around the clock

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now again bear in mind the time period

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this is costing this guy a fortune

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because he's running that engine

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pumping this water out around the clock

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and of course at one point one of the

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lines

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breaks and sends water back in you know

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uh he only gets it down so far and

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it's you know kind of silt and mud on

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the bottom

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uh he he has all these problems rain

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comes in

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you know he's never able to get the pond

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completely drained he ends up

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going in the hospital at one point and

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when he comes back out of course the

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pond is refilled

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and then then he comes up with a scheme

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in collusion

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with the electric company

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they're going to send high voltage into

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the water to try to shock oscar out

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so they run this whole scheme run wires

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in and

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you know of course fish are jumping out

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of the water and and harris decides that

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all the turtle did was go down and bury

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itself in the silt so that it wasn't uh

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you know in the mud at the bottom so it

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wasn't affected by the electricity

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the media loves this stuff you know the

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news stories are carried all over the

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country and there's all this excitement

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about the giant turtle and

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and rumors of rewards from different

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zoos

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00:17:00,790 --> 00:16:57,680
uh different stories and of course

440
00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:00,800
as with any story like this there are

441
00:17:04,150 --> 00:17:02,720
other crazy things that come about one

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00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:04,160
of the neighbors uh

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pipes in probably to get immediate

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00:17:10,949 --> 00:17:08,160
attention and says that

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the oscar the giant turtle came out and

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ate one of his cows

447
00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:16,799
so there there are all these crazy

448
00:17:21,189 --> 00:17:18,000
things that happened during

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the course of this and the long and

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short is

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harris can't do any farming because well

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two reasons

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one he's spending all of his time and

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money trying

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00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:34,960
to catch the turtle two the story has

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become

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so widespread

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that people are coming from miles around

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00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:43,760
hoping to catch a glimpse

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of oscar at one point they had to

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00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:50,880
have police officers on the road leading

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to harris's property

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00:17:57,350 --> 00:17:55,600
to manage traffic they're parking

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everywhere this is an active well

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00:18:01,590 --> 00:17:59,440
supposed to be an active farm

466
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:01,600
now it's covered with vehicles you know

467
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:03,520
just ruining the fields

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00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:06,320
it's so bad that many days harris's son

469
00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:08,160
can't even get out to get to

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school and the result is is that

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harris goes broke uh the story starts to

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die off

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in uh 49

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and there's not uh you know the media

475
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kind of loses interest because nothing

476
00:18:29,470 --> 00:18:26,000
new

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is really happening and by

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00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:33,039
1950 there's sort of a

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final story uh about oscar and the final

480
00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:38,880
story is that

481
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the gail harris farm is on the auction

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the description of the property being

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auctioned off

484
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describes the farmland buildings

485
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the equipment that's left there for

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farming the tractors and so forth

487
00:19:02,789 --> 00:18:59,600
and an assortment of other nets

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00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:02,799
and turtle catching devices

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that harris is also leaving behind so

490
00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:08,400
the property sold the new property

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00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:09,440
owners

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made a statement that they were buying

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it so that they could farm

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and that as far as they were concerned

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00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:18,000
oscar the giant turtle could live in

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peace

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00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:19,919
in that pond because they had no

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00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:22,000
interest in trying to catch him

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so you know it's it's kind of the end of

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the story there are a lot of

501
00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:28,960
interesting side notes to it

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there were or people who

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strongly believed that oscar

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at some point during all this fiasco had

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had left

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and had gone you know overnight had just

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left the pond and traveled somewhere

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00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:48,240
else there are some other sightings of

509
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:51,440
extremely large turtles in indiana that

510
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:53,440
follow in the wake of that

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and uh of course the the turtle as you

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and i were

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00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:01,200
talking about uh the turtle ends up

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00:20:05,669 --> 00:20:02,400
being

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the center point of a festival called

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turtle

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days that's uh run in uh churrobusco

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which is what the turtle's name for the

519
00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:13,440
beast of busco has these came to be

520
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:14,159
known

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and uh the festival i believe it started

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in

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the 1950s it's run for a long time and

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it's a

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00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:23,760
community street festival type of thing

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but

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when you go to this town you see

528
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the uh image

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00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:33,919
of oscar just everywhere the in the book

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00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:35,440
there's a picture of the

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a patch i was given that is the fire

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00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,120
department

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00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:41,039
and it's it's a really cool artistic

534
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:42,320
depiction of this

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00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:45,280
this kind of a tough looking turtle

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00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:45,919
holding a

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00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:48,240
fireman's axe and a helmet and it's a

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00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:50,240
logo for the fire department

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00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,440
in town and you see images of large

540
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:55,520
turtles everywhere they really celebrate

541
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:56,480
this whole

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00:21:02,950 --> 00:20:59,840
uh legend of this creature that

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00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:02,960
really put the town on the map did

544
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:04,640
anybody ever get a photograph of this

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00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:05,280
thing

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00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:08,559
no photographs no really no photographs

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00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:10,400
sightings sightings here and there but

548
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:11,919
um and of course

549
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:13,679
it's it's one of those things you're not

550
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:16,240
sure how many of the sightings were

551
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:20,320
really uh people seeing the turtle there

552
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:21,679
clearly there were some

553
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:24,240
some initially that were very intriguing

554
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:25,280
it's clear that

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00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:26,880
harris's brother-in-law and his friend

556
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:28,720
did indeed see oscar

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00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:31,600
uh harrison cell saw oscar and the

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00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:32,960
gentleman who was on the

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00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:36,960
the roof repair job with him was

560
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:40,080
also a minister in town so you know his

561
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:42,000
testimony is pretty valid he saw the

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00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,960
giant turtle

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00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,960
and other other people spotted it during

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00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,320
that time uh

565
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:49,440
but it's kind of interesting to look at

566
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:51,039
all the legends and the folklore and

567
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:52,559
stuff that have been added to this and

568
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:54,159
really at its core

569
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:56,080
the story is fascinating because as much

570
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:58,000
as it's about

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00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:01,200
a an unusual animal a cryptid if you

572
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:01,760
will

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00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:04,640
it's also a real story of human nature

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00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,440
and

575
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:07,520
you know how someone can be driven to

576
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,880
try to

577
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:10,159
find something you know the kind of

578
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:11,840
things that we look for all the time

579
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,480
right

580
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:14,880
but this guy was so driven to find this

581
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,480
one particular creature that

582
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,559
uh you know proved to be to the

583
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:20,400
detriment of everything else in his life

584
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:21,120
so it's

585
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:23,200
it's kind of sad and tragic in a sense

586
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:25,679
and ironically harris ends up

587
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:28,240
eating after the farmer's auction he

588
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:29,440
moves out of town and

589
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:32,240
he moves into the city and he gets a job

590
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:33,760
for the electric company who had tried

591
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:34,880
to help him

592
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:37,919
who had helped him try to electrocute

593
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:41,280
oscar out of the water so you know just

594
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:44,080
very very strange connections there and

595
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:46,000
and there's a whole legend too of

596
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:49,360
a native american

597
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:51,360
chief who purportedly lived in the area

598
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,159
who was called little turtle of all time

599
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:56,559
and uh purportedly had a pet turtle at

600
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:57,200
some point

601
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:00,640
but yeah i was gonna ask is

602
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,360
if uh you know these large turtles are

603
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:05,840
indigenous to that part of indiana or

604
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:08,640
you know is it could have been actually

605
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:08,960
uh

606
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:11,360
and i just overgroomed species of some

607
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:12,159
type

608
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:14,720
there's a lot of speculation what what i

609
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:17,120
think it was was a snapping turtle which

610
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,480
can get pretty large

611
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,799
they primarily live in the south but you

612
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,400
know i uncovered some interesting things

613
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,720
there was a report that i came across

614
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,400
uh involving a gentleman who had worked

615
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:28,799
on one of the rail lines and

616
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:32,400
had talked to a fellow whose his family

617
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:36,240
tried to start a turtle farm in indiana

618
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:39,919
and they were bringing these uh southern

619
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:42,720
snapping turtles up into indiana to see

620
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:43,760
if they could

621
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:45,679
you know live through the winter

622
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,440
primarily

623
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:49,440
and there seemed to be some indications

624
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,480
that they were

625
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:52,320
were that adaptable we know animals are

626
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:53,919
extremely adaptable

627
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:57,360
uh you know so you see that the ranges

628
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,159
change all the time and most likely

629
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:02,320
that's probably what oscar was it's

630
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:04,320
probably a giant snapping turtle

631
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,200
wow that's a cool story you know i i

632
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:09,039
knew bits and pieces of it but i

633
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:12,400
didn't know the full story behind it um

634
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,440
yeah but yeah that that that cover is

635
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:17,840
fantastic on the book because it looks

636
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:19,039
like an alligator

637
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,559
snapping turtle i mean if that's what

638
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,320
the thing looked like

639
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:24,720
you know it's pretty good sized turtle

640
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:25,840
yeah

641
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:28,000
you know when i started getting involved

642
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:28,960
with this uh

643
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,600
wing humanoid phenomena around lake

644
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,039
michigan

645
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,440
we were getting a lot of sightings in

646
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:36,880
indiana

647
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:44,559
but we you know they were there and when

648
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:47,440
i started looking into it

649
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:50,799
you know i was kind of surprised that

650
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,360
all the flying not only humanoid flying

651
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:54,960
creatures

652
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:58,159
sightings in indiana especially

653
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,360
pterosaurs i mean

654
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,799
and i've been getting a bunch of

655
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:02,480
pterosaur like

656
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:06,080
uh sightings over the years from there

657
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,840
but you know it just kind of adds to

658
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:09,360
everything else you know even these

659
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:13,440
even these uh cryptid uh

660
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:16,320
uh flying manta rays white manta rays or

661
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:18,880
grey manta rays people have been seeing

662
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:21,200
i've been trying to document you know we

663
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:22,720
had one of those in the game

664
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:25,919
as well and uh it was fayette

665
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,200
fan indiana so

666
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,600
i don't know it is a weird state you

667
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:33,360
know

668
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:40,640
talk about

669
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:44,400
the snapping turtle but uh

670
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,159
like mermaids

671
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:50,400
uh other type of large fish that are

672
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,200
seen up on the

673
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,760
because the ohio river runs in the south

674
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:55,120
south of the state

675
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:57,760
oh yeah a lot of different stuff even up

676
00:26:03,110 --> 00:25:58,240
into

677
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,120
up in the state you know there's an area

678
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,039
called um

679
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:07,039
prairie and i forget the name of because

680
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:08,400
we've got uh

681
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:11,760
it's it's actually east of uh

682
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:16,320
of uh indianapolis up towards stoke yet

683
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:19,039
i don't know but anyway it's it's it's a

684
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:19,919
park

685
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,400
and it's got a huge lake in it and we

686
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,480
had three or four settings of these wing

687
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:26,640
humanoids there

688
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:30,320
so um you know i don't know what the

689
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,720
deal

690
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,799
is and uh you know but you're right you

691
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:35,279
know indiana is just crazy it has a lot

692
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,640
of different stuff

693
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,039
let alone the bigfoot sightings i mean

694
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,960
yeah that part of southern indiana is

695
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,720
just loaded with bigfoot sightings

696
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:44,400
oh it is well you know you got the

697
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:46,000
hoosier national forest

698
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,279
which is pretty big and that's where

699
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:49,360
most of them i've heard of yeah

700
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:51,120
and uh you know there's a lot of other

701
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,880
areas in the state i mean

702
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:54,960
it's pretty rich in terms of farmland

703
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:56,080
and forests and

704
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,120
and diversity and of course uh you know

705
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,880
for animals like that that can survive

706
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,159
the four seasons

707
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,240
uh there's there's plenty of resources

708
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:06,720
actually a lot of resources in indiana

709
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,159
and plenty of fresh water

710
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:12,080
plenty for them you know there's not

711
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:13,360
going to be any problem for them to

712
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:14,400
thrive

713
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:17,679
and like a lot of states you know the

714
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,640
the clusters of the population tend

715
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:22,480
towards the large cities or the smaller

716
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,279
towns

717
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,120
uh but you talk about water monsters i

718
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:27,120
mean there's a another

719
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:30,320
really well-known one in in 40 and lower

720
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:31,919
that comes out of indiana and that's the

721
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:32,840
green claw

722
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:36,320
beast that uh you know it's

723
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,080
it's a really strange story there's

724
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:40,080
there's several stories in indiana that

725
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:41,360
were so

726
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:44,080
odd you know when uh when i delved into

727
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,919
them i i mean i knew about that tales

728
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,840
from 1955

729
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:50,080
there's a couple of others there's one i

730
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:51,360
uncovered about these

731
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:55,200
uh what i call the oil pit squids

732
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:58,000
and that's a really strange tale but the

733
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,520
before i jump ahead to that the green

734
00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:01,440
called beast

735
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,919
this is an account that takes place in

736
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:06,240
1955

737
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,320
near evansville and it's a woman named

738
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:13,440
johnson miss dart ms darwin johnson

739
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,320
who's out on the ohio river and spending

740
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:18,720
just kind of a lazy day with a friend of

741
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:19,840
hers

742
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:23,919
and she's on a uh

743
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:27,440
sauna floating on a tube in the river

744
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:30,559
when something grabs her from

745
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,480
up out of the water she says that it was

746
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,159
a a green called

747
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:36,799
hand that grabbed her leg and tried to

748
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,880
pull her under now her friend is

749
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:40,720
not in the water at the time she's up on

750
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,640
the riverbank and she sees this

751
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:44,080
happening and she's

752
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:45,600
kind of in a panic but she's not sure

753
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,960
what to do miss johnson surfaces

754
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,640
she gets yanked down again she

755
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:52,799
eventually gets free of this thing

756
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,000
and she gets up on to the riverbank they

757
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:58,080
end up calling the paramedics

758
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,760
and investigates the situation

759
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,520
she's claiming that it's something with

760
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:05,200
a

761
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:15,840
[Music]

762
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,480
skeptics of course jump in later on and

763
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:20,080
say oh this was um

764
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:22,159
this was a turtle you know this was this

765
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:23,279
was nothing

766
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,240
but a mossback turtle and she just

767
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:28,159
scraped against it and she's mistaken

768
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:28,960
well

769
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,080
here's what's interesting one there is

770
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:35,039
an impression on this woman's leg

771
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:38,840
of a hand and it's a green it's a green

772
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:42,960
stain that won't come off it lingers for

773
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:45,360
some time on her leg

774
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,960
so you know here we have this

775
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,640
curious thing that's thrown in there but

776
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:52,320
the case gets a little bit weirder

777
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:53,279
because

778
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:56,480
what happens is that uh it

779
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:59,360
it gets posted in the news and you know

780
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:01,279
people think oh this is

781
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,760
no no this is you know some other

782
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,760
nonsense is going on here it's it's not

783
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,159
really what she says but ms

784
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:10,880
johnson and her husband are paid a visit

785
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,279
by

786
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,200
a gentleman who says he's with the air

787
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:15,279
force

788
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:18,559
and he asked them all these questions

789
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:21,679
about the incident and we have to wonder

790
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:22,240
why

791
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,120
purportedly interested in you know

792
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:31,200
this weird encounter this woman had on

793
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,480
the river well

794
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:35,039
at the end of the conversation he

795
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:35,760
strongly

796
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:38,240
advises them to not talk about this

797
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,279
anymore

798
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:41,600
well who's that sound like right so it's

799
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,480
it's very

800
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:44,000
you know sort of the men in black

801
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,919
element that comes in here

802
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,760
uh you know you dig a little bit deeper

803
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:49,360
you find that there were some

804
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:53,279
ufo sightings around the same time uh

805
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,000
in the area you know along the river and

806
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:58,000
you just kind of have to wonder you know

807
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,600
what exactly was you know why

808
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:03,600
why were they so worried about this

809
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:05,919
woman having this encounter

810
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:07,600
with this weird beast that a lot of

811
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,960
people didn't believe

812
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:11,039
because they all thought she was just

813
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:13,120
kind of hyped up because

814
00:31:18,020 --> 00:31:16,159
oh well you know it's because uh the

815
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:18,030
creature from the black lagoon was out

816
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:19,600
[Laughter]

817
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:22,960
and you know so forth but the the thing

818
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:23,279
that

819
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:25,840
really grabbed me about this case was

820
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:27,279
that it takes place on

821
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,760
august 21st uh it's 1955 so

822
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,200
if you probe your memory you might

823
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,039
recall there's another case that took

824
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:39,440
place on that same date

825
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:40,880
in a little place called kelly

826
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:48,149
yeah so what are the odds of two such

827
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,600
bizarre cases

828
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,360
occurring at the same time of course the

829
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:53,840
kelly hopkins real case for those who

830
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:56,960
who don't know about it is uh one of my

831
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,720
favorite cases is a bizarre encounter

832
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:00,480
that a family had

833
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:03,840
with a group of goblins who

834
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,080
seemed to be bulletproof and their

835
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:07,840
implications they came out of ufos there

836
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,440
were ufo sightings around the time in

837
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:11,120
that area

838
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,240
so a very strange

839
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:17,039
sort of ufo slash humanoid encounter

840
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,760
that occurred

841
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,840
at the same time this woman claims that

842
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:21,360
this green fall beast

843
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,789
what river was this where was that at

844
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,399
again the ohio river

845
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,480
oh it was in the ohio river yeah she was

846
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:34,480
on the entire river

847
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:37,679
yeah she was she was near uh evansville

848
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:41,600
okay yeah you know i've heard a lot of

849
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:42,240
stories

850
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:45,519
of uh sharks coming up that far into the

851
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,720
ohio river

852
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,720
up through the mississippi and there's

853
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:50,559
people seeing it up there

854
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:53,440
uh maybe that's what it was but jesus

855
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,399
you know that you know

856
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,720
that is strange it's the same date but

857
00:33:02,149 --> 00:32:58,640
you know this men in black

858
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,159
type of uh uh phenomena

859
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,159
is pretty well known especially around

860
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:06,240
indianapolis there seems to be

861
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:09,039
and i've had a few stories from around

862
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:10,320
indianapolis

863
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,919
of ufo activity that would show up at

864
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:15,760
night a lot of these security guards at

865
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:17,440
a lot of these facilities around the

866
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,640
city a lot of these

867
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:21,039
factories and such we're seeing these

868
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,080
things

869
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,240
and for whatever reason these men in

870
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,399
black what people were describing men in

871
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:28,720
black start shelling up

872
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:31,519
uh i know i had at least three three of

873
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,960
those reports

874
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,880
about three or four years ago and i know

875
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:36,399
two or three of others

876
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,240
ended up on mufon's cms so

877
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,240
i don't know what that was all about but

878
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:43,919
you know

879
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,840
another another case is something weird

880
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,440
happening in indiana

881
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:49,679
it is and you know if you expand the

882
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:50,960
parameters a little bit

883
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:54,399
and and go outside of that basic model

884
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,840
of the mib of course there are a lot of

885
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,120
variations in those

886
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,600
mid counters anyway but even when you

887
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,360
branch out a little bit and you look at

888
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:03,279
a case like this

889
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:05,200
there's nothing else necessarily that

890
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:07,360
fits the typical men in black thing you

891
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:09,040
know he's not uh there wasn't any other

892
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,480
weird behavior

893
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:12,159
uh you know he didn't seem like he was

894
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,599
alien or anything i mean they just

895
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,639
talked about him being

896
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,720
what they assumed was really an air

897
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:17,760
force major

898
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,879
uh but then you get the the curious

899
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:23,040
aspects you know why is he interested in

900
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:24,000
this

901
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,000
bizarre encounter weren't any x-files

902
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:27,839
back then you know

903
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:31,679
and you know why why is he pursuing

904
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:34,000
her encounter and why tell them

905
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,839
basically you know don't talk about this

906
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:39,520
well it does sound like men in black you

907
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:40,879
know i

908
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,000
the more these men in black tales i hear

909
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:46,079
the less i'm inclined to believe there's

910
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,200
anything to do with the government

911
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:49,359
anymore i'm starting to believe it

912
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,879
you know and especially since they end

913
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:52,560
up coming so quickly after

914
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,679
sighting uh i mean i've had people tell

915
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:57,200
me they had a sighting

916
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:58,880
and within an hour they've got these

917
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:01,440
guys in black knocking on the door

918
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:05,280
uh you know yeah that sounds

919
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:07,280
non-terrestrial to me that you know for

920
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,720
some reason they're just trying to cover

921
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,000
up their tracks

922
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:12,240
yeah i've heard those kind of things i i

923
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:13,119
talked to a guy

924
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,760
this was also in indiana not in the book

925
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:17,440
it was a ufo sighting but

926
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:20,720
you know he had a strange sighting

927
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:23,839
hoosier national forest area and when he

928
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,240
got

929
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,480
home they were waiting for him in his

930
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:28,160
yard

931
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:31,359
now you know tell me how that happens

932
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:32,000
now

933
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:36,240
phone call and he was talking to someone

934
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:39,280
about what he had seen but that just you

935
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,270
um well you talk about that use your

936
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,040
national forest i've had all kinds of

937
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:48,720
crazy sightings out of there

938
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:51,680
especially last couple years um not only

939
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:52,880
bigfoot but these

940
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,079
these white humanoid settings uh i

941
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:58,720
i mean i had one where two hunters were

942
00:36:02,310 --> 00:35:59,200
out

943
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,320
hunt there

944
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:04,400
whatever this this white humanoid

945
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:05,359
literally

946
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:08,560
scaled down the tree when it came

947
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,680
after them you know so

948
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:13,680
that kind of stuff but that is that area

949
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,760
does have a lot of different sightings

950
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:17,839
well again you know it's a dense forest

951
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:19,040
region uh

952
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:22,400
not you know not explored extensively

953
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:25,280
there's there's not people in there

954
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:28,320
covering the entire area every day so uh

955
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:30,160
plenty of plenty of space for things

956
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:31,599
like that to be

957
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:35,119
lurking i've got to ask you about this

958
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:36,640
confederate soldier

959
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:39,440
that supposedly turned into a werewolf i

960
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,720
knew you were going to want to talk

961
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:42,480
about that

962
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:45,520
yeah you knew me yeah

963
00:36:49,590 --> 00:36:47,920
so you know indiana has some curious

964
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,600
werewolf folklore

965
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,640
[Music]

966
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:52,400
going all the way back to the french

967
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:55,119
influence of course

968
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:57,200
uh they brought their werewolf legends

969
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:58,640
over from france and

970
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:01,520
the early french trappers and and

971
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:02,320
traders

972
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,240
you know they would talk about different

973
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:06,079
werewolf legends and claim that

974
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,440
werewolves

975
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:09,440
were in indiana and it kind of blended

976
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:10,560
seems to blend it in

977
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:13,599
some with a bit of the native american

978
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,760
lore that was already there so

979
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,960
you know this is one of these things

980
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:18,880
that i find i know we've talked about

981
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,520
this before

982
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:21,520
before i i've looked at a lot of these

983
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:22,560
modern

984
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:25,040
dogman accounts and for me i always go

985
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:26,720
back to the traditional lore

986
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,000
the early stories because i kind of what

987
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:33,440
what really pieced my curiosity about it

988
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:36,560
is that gap that exists because we have

989
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:37,760
some early stories

990
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,079
from european settlement we have very

991
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:42,079
scant stuff from native americans

992
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,520
and then we have this long period where

993
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,680
there's really not much

994
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:47,920
like that occasional stories crop up

995
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:50,079
like the defiance werewolf and things

996
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:51,040
like that

997
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:52,400
but for the most part you don't hear a

998
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:55,040
lot of these stories until modern times

999
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,950
so you know when i explored the werewolf

1000
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:03,119
legends that were in indiana i found

1001
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:04,880
them pretty intriguing again most of

1002
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:05,200
them

1003
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:08,240
are pretty early encounters and then

1004
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,680
this one

1005
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,520
that you're referring to jumps up to the

1006
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:14,160
civil war period now

1007
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:17,680
as the tale goes there was a gentleman

1008
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,119
who joined the confederate forces

1009
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,280
during the civil war uh he lived in

1010
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:25,359
southern indiana and he was

1011
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,800
um you know his family were southern

1012
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,320
sympathizers so he went off with the

1013
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:32,560
confederates he ends up serving under

1014
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:36,560
uh john hunt morgan and

1015
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,800
the story is that this gentleman his

1016
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:40,079
name was was

1017
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:43,119
silas shimmerhorn

1018
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:46,800
old silas uh he he wasn't much of a

1019
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:47,839
soldier he

1020
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:51,040
really didn't like uh fighting you know

1021
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,480
he didn't like uh

1022
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,800
serving uh you know whatever reasons ran

1023
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:56,240
through his head

1024
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,720
he took an opportunity when

1025
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,280
he was with morgan's battalion and they

1026
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:05,040
came into indiana

1027
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:13,030
basically bolt and you know he went awol

1028
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,400
went off into the wild and was basically

1029
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:17,760
hoping that he could just

1030
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,480
you know hide out until the war was over

1031
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:22,800
or whatever

1032
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:26,000
well what happens is that uh

1033
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:29,839
he he appears to turn truly wild now

1034
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:33,599
the story is that silas he went into the

1035
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,880
the forest of indiana he found a cave

1036
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:38,720
that he started living in

1037
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:41,760
and eventually of course the civil war

1038
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:42,079
did

1039
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:46,320
end and people had talked about this

1040
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,240
kind of wild man that lived in this

1041
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,800
region a lot of people knew who it was

1042
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,800
and the story is that some of silas's

1043
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,920
friends

1044
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,920
that he had served with came and tried

1045
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:58,000
to find him thinking that

1046
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,760
you know he was still hiding out for

1047
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:01,200
fear of being

1048
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,560
thrown in jail for you know for uh

1049
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:07,119
uh taking off in the midst of the war

1050
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,720
and uh they wanted to let him know look

1051
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:10,560
you know it's over

1052
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:11,680
confederates laws you don't have

1053
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,760
anything to worry about but uh

1054
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,280
they couldn't really communicate with it

1055
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:17,599
they tried and

1056
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:21,520
uh the story is that he had turned

1057
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,920
feral so i became a wild man he

1058
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:28,079
clearly at one point run out of

1059
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:29,520
ammunition

1060
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:32,560
and had taken to hunting with a knife or

1061
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:32,880
with

1062
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:36,240
whatever he could use and

1063
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:39,520
he had somehow fallen in

1064
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,960
with a pack of wolves now

1065
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:45,599
the story is that these wolves lived in

1066
00:40:50,829 --> 00:40:46,480
the cave

1067
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:50,839
with him so people in the region

1068
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,000
started losing farm animals

1069
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:56,400
and they were losing them to this pack

1070
00:41:01,829 --> 00:40:57,599
of wolves

1071
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:01,839
among which they saw at this point a

1072
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:05,599
naked man that ran with the wolves

1073
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:07,520
so you know the story as it evolves it

1074
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:09,280
is you know they see him at first and

1075
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:11,200
his his clothes are tattered he's got

1076
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:12,160
just the

1077
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:14,720
the uh confederate grape you know

1078
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,760
trousers on

1079
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:17,359
his everything else is gone and

1080
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,000
eventually it's just nothing it's just a

1081
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:22,960
wild and you can imagine the you know

1082
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,680
the visual

1083
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,839
of this man who's completely naked at

1084
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,599
this point his hair has grown out his

1085
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:29,280
beard and everything else

1086
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:32,160
and farmers in the region get so

1087
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:33,520
disgusted with

1088
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:36,800
the loss of farm animals that they

1089
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:37,280
decide

1090
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:39,040
they need something needs to be done so

1091
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:40,560
they send some hunters out to look for

1092
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:41,599
these wolves

1093
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,760
and uh they kill a few of them and sort

1094
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:45,280
of run the pack off but

1095
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:48,319
silas kind of disappears and some of the

1096
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,599
other wolves so the

1097
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:51,280
there's really this lingering question

1098
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:52,800
you know what exactly happened to him

1099
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:53,520
now

1100
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:56,800
there's a legend that someone found

1101
00:42:01,270 --> 00:42:00,000
in a cave the remnants of a confederate

1102
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:01,280
rifle

1103
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,040
with the initials ss scrawled into the

1104
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:07,760
stock and some other items that they

1105
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:08,319
believe

1106
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,400
belongs to silas you know it's a

1107
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,160
it's one of those stories that is a

1108
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,000
curious blend of

1109
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:19,599
folklore and some cryptic information

1110
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,319
and obviously some real accounts of

1111
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,160
some type of wild man or something being

1112
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,000
in the region

1113
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,040
but no one really seems able to

1114
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:31,440
completely track down and verify

1115
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:33,520
yes this is you know this really

1116
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:34,560
happened now

1117
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,240
you know you know as well as i do that

1118
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:40,319
people can turn feral and under those

1119
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,079
conditions it's certainly

1120
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:44,640
possible and and you know my take on it

1121
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:45,599
is that

1122
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,599
if he felt the need to to run

1123
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:51,200
you know he could have been traumatized

1124
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,720
he could have had what we would identify

1125
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:54,240
now as ptsd

1126
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,280
there are any number of things that

1127
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:57,440
could have happened to this man during

1128
00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:59,119
the time that he was serving with the

1129
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,240
with the army so uh he left for his own

1130
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,920
reasons but there may be some other

1131
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:05,520
factors there that

1132
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,640
drove him into a wild state if the story

1133
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:11,040
is completely true

1134
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:14,480
you know i had a i had family that was

1135
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,280
raised in mitchell county north carolina

1136
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:19,040
just in the foothills

1137
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,560
uh the smoky mountains and

1138
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,720
they had this you know this is kind of

1139
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,720
the fir really the first time i

1140
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,480
ever heard anything you simmered to

1141
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,760
bigfoot

1142
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:31,680
but i was young i mean and we went down

1143
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:34,880
there in 67 when i was a kid

1144
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,560
and uh my great uncle

1145
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,960
and he he used to run a still up in the

1146
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:42,319
hills

1147
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,440
and he kept complaining that this

1148
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:48,480
wild man kept busting up be still yeah

1149
00:43:52,829 --> 00:43:49,359
you know and when he

1150
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,839
is when he was uh describing it to my

1151
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,240
grandfather

1152
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:56,880
uh i actually heard it and it sounded

1153
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,440
like

1154
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,680
you know and there have been stories for

1155
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:00,880
years

1156
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:04,400
about a wall confederate and union

1157
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:05,280
soldiers

1158
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:07,040
hiding out in the smokies and the

1159
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,200
appalachias that did turn

1160
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,280
feral turn into wild men but this

1161
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:13,520
sounded more like a bigfoot

1162
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,839
you know what this guy with my own great

1163
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,680
uncle was talking about so

1164
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,200
you know that's kind of funny it's kind

1165
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:21,119
of a segway into the north carolina

1166
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:21,520
stuff

1167
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,400
but uh yeah i mean i heard that's i

1168
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,400
heard that story before

1169
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,640
you know and being back then i was what

1170
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,560
nine years old i didn't believe in any

1171
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:32,880
of that but you know right

1172
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,480
but he was pretty serious about it yeah

1173
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:38,800
so you know speaking of north carolina

1174
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:40,240
your your other book

1175
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:43,359
um and you know north carolina has got

1176
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,800
it you know especially in the western

1177
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,400
part of the state they're the bigfoot

1178
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:47,920
stories are just crazy

1179
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:51,040
i mean it's a lot of stories and and of

1180
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:52,000
course you've got

1181
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,920
the canines as well as the big cats and

1182
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,000
of course the big cat

1183
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:00,480
that you know you always hear about is

1184
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:03,520
the uh the wampus cat

1185
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:05,200
you know i have heard people described

1186
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:06,720
as wampus cat

1187
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:09,359
for years and it seems like everybody's

1188
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:11,200
got a different description of it what

1189
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:12,400
what do you think this

1190
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:15,920
is what do you think people are seeing

1191
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:18,640
you know it's uh well the cover that you

1192
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:20,000
i think you've got up on the screen

1193
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:21,200
there

1194
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:24,880
that is that's an artistic depiction of

1195
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,240
the beast of bladenboro right with this

1196
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:31,200
series i tried to

1197
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:34,640
highlight on the front cover of each one

1198
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,800
a cryptid that is distinctly associated

1199
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:40,400
with the state for you know whatever

1200
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,280
reason

1201
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:43,839
um most of them have been very unique so

1202
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,560
far

1203
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:46,480
uh rather than having a sasquatch on the

1204
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:47,680
front of every cover because there's

1205
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:49,839
bigfoot sightings everywhere

1206
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,280
but it was it was easy with north

1207
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,760
carolina to decide on this one because

1208
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:55,680
the beast of bladenboro is such a

1209
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,560
fascinating case and it really

1210
00:46:01,589 --> 00:46:00,160
it really sort of ties in what you're

1211
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:01,599
talking about because

1212
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,720
these legends of uh wampus and

1213
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:06,319
in north carolina there's also another

1214
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:09,520
name there's a santa

1215
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:12,720
you get these general terms that

1216
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:15,280
really are a bit elusive to define

1217
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,400
because

1218
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,200
over time people understand them to mean

1219
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:21,839
different things now wampus typically is

1220
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:24,960
uh often as is wampus cat

1221
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:28,160
but you frequently hear just wampus and

1222
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,200
when you look at some of the

1223
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:31,280
descriptions it sounds like well

1224
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:33,520
they're talking about a cougar you know

1225
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:35,920
mountain lion eastern cougar which is

1226
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:39,760
uh oh officially is extinct

1227
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:42,800
in all these states yeah but you know

1228
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,520
there are all these sightings of

1229
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:47,040
panthers cougars whatever you want to

1230
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,839
call them of course

1231
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,440
the ones that really drive the officials

1232
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:52,079
nuts the the sightings of black panthers

1233
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,760
you know that hundreds upon hundreds of

1234
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:55,599
people see

1235
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,680
the the wampus that's a term that really

1236
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:01,599
has spread out i mean you hear this term

1237
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:03,200
in

1238
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:13,040
too

1239
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,240
the descriptions typically sound like

1240
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,560
a mountain lion but frequently they also

1241
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:20,319
sound like some kind of distortion of

1242
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:21,440
these things

1243
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:22,800
if you look at the depiction there the

1244
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:24,160
beast of bladenboro it's a bit

1245
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,440
exaggerated

1246
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:27,040
and a lot of people will describe the

1247
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:28,640
wampus like that they'll say that it's

1248
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:30,240
oversized and it's

1249
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:33,119
uh sometimes it's larger than a a

1250
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,800
typical cougar

1251
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,440
the coloring sometimes is different this

1252
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:38,960
is the thing with these sightings is

1253
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:40,880
that there's so many variations even

1254
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,119
even with the beast of bladenboro which

1255
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,599
again is a very fascinating case but

1256
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:47,359
nobody could decide exactly what this

1257
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:48,640
thing looked like some people said it

1258
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:50,079
looked like a lion

1259
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,359
some people said it looked like a

1260
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:53,040
panther some people said it looked like

1261
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:54,000
something different

1262
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,680
you know you get all these variations

1263
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:57,680
you know it might have been it was uh

1264
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,599
it was dark brown or or maybe it was

1265
00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:00,640
black or wait a minute it might have

1266
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:01,680
been gray

1267
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:05,359
uh and it just kind of goes on and on

1268
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,559
but the consistency is in the behavior

1269
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:10,160
now with the beast of bladenboro is

1270
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,240
preying on

1271
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,640
people's animals specifically dogs and

1272
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,000
that sounds like a

1273
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:19,200
feline for sure and you know you hear

1274
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:20,640
some of the other elements too

1275
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,920
such as a this kind of piercing scream

1276
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:25,440
that people will describe

1277
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:29,200
as something between a

1278
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:32,400
you know a child or a woman screaming or

1279
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,400
or someone screaming in pain kind of

1280
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:36,000
echoes out in the night it's that

1281
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:38,079
it's that feline type of screech if

1282
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:39,520
you've ever heard

1283
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,559
for instance a bobcat scream that's it's

1284
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:44,160
kind of a chilling sound i grew up in

1285
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,119
north carolina

1286
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:47,200
and i can remember did you i didn't hear

1287
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,400
that yeah and i

1288
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:50,880
i can remember being a kid and the first

1289
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,119
time i heard a bobcat scream

1290
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:55,599
i was outside in the backyard at night

1291
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,480
and

1292
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,800
i heard the sound i had the same

1293
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,160
experience

1294
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,400
i mean it was hair raising and i you

1295
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:04,079
know

1296
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:06,640
though what in god's name is this you

1297
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:08,240
know and of course uh

1298
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,079
darden inside because i just wasn't sure

1299
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:12,800
exactly what it was but

1300
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,000
uh you know you it's really hard to

1301
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:17,760
describe if you haven't heard this sound

1302
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,760
it's it's very eerie and it can

1303
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,680
echo and carry out in the night you know

1304
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:23,359
through the forest or

1305
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,960
through the swamps of course the dismal

1306
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,200
swamp is in north carolina

1307
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:30,000
and you know that region has a lot of

1308
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:31,760
sightings of these creatures

1309
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,960
so these these cats these mystery

1310
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,319
felines they show up

1311
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:38,640
all over the state from one into uh to

1312
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:39,520
another

1313
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,720
and the thing that i find really

1314
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:44,000
interesting is that

1315
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:47,359
i i've talked to so many people who are

1316
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:50,800
you know veteran hunters or outdoorsmen

1317
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:54,160
or uh you know know every animal in the

1318
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,880
region

1319
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:57,040
and when this guy you know he's sitting

1320
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,800
you sit down and talk to a guy who's

1321
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:00,240
hunted for 40 years

1322
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:02,480
and knows everything that's in the woods

1323
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:03,280
until

1324
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:06,720
you know one day he sees a what he says

1325
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,400
is a black panther and you know

1326
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:12,480
he's very close to it you're gonna

1327
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:13,440
believe him

1328
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:16,800
yeah so well yeah you're right i mean

1329
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:17,440
these uh

1330
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,480
these big cat settings down in uh

1331
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,640
the south even down in south carolina

1332
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,720
when you further south i mean of course

1333
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,400
you've got the the florida panther

1334
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,920
sightings and such and those are

1335
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,119
indigenous

1336
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,280
but like santee river there's been you

1337
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:33,119
know down to north i mean south carolina

1338
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:33,920
has been

1339
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,040
these panther stories down there and

1340
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:39,440
you know the eastern puma you're right i

1341
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,440
don't care what the states say

1342
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,839
or the game commissions these things are

1343
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,880
around

1344
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:46,800
and up here in pennsylvania we've got

1345
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:48,480
them too and you know they can deny it

1346
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:50,000
all they want

1347
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:52,000
but uh you know and that's interesting

1348
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:53,359
because this

1349
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,280
upright canine dog man phenomena that

1350
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:56,640
butch and i have been looking into in

1351
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,680
pennsylvania

1352
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,200
for the last couple years we got some

1353
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:01,760
game people working with us on this

1354
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:04,160
uh so they acknowledge it to a degree

1355
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:05,440
because they know there's some weird

1356
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:08,240
stuff out there in central pennsylvania

1357
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,680
so uh yeah i mean you know that you know

1358
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:13,920
it it it is it's just a lot out there

1359
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,520
and of course in north carolina

1360
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,760
there's there has always been you talk

1361
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:19,200
about the beast of bladen but there's

1362
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:20,319
always been

1363
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:24,800
a werewolf canine

1364
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,079
you know folklore anyway you know

1365
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:30,640
um the people who live out in western

1366
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:31,760
north carolina

1367
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,200
and i've heard this as well or

1368
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:37,839
talking about these these large canines

1369
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:38,720
hanging around

1370
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:42,079
graveyards and cemeteries right yeah

1371
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:43,440
yeah and you hear that with some

1372
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,280
sasquatch accounts too oh yeah oh

1373
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:46,800
absolutely very hot

1374
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,119
yeah so yeah you just uh

1375
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:54,000
you know you you just have to listen and

1376
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:54,319
uh

1377
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:57,680
look at all the data i think but you get

1378
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,480
cases

1379
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:00,480
again like the the bladenboro case i

1380
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:02,720
mean this this account went on for

1381
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:05,760
for some time and you know what happened

1382
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:06,319
with that

1383
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:09,359
is that uh once again it was a case that

1384
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:09,839
so

1385
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,680
town

1386
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,599
there's there's still not a whole lot in

1387
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:17,520
bladenburg it's a very small town

1388
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:20,640
great little community but back then

1389
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:23,839
you know the uh the place really wasn't

1390
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:27,119
known for much it was 1950s and they

1391
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:28,240
were kind of

1392
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:31,599
trudging along but the mayor

1393
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,880
is the one who helped draw attention to

1394
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:36,079
these attacks

1395
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:39,280
and uh he did so by contacting media

1396
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:39,920
sources

1397
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:42,240
and just like with the the case of the

1398
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:44,240
beast of busco

1399
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:46,000
once the press wires got a hold of it

1400
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:47,440
started talking about it

1401
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:50,720
everyone was interested and in fact

1402
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:53,920
at one point there were more hunters

1403
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:56,559
in bladenboro looking for the beast than

1404
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:57,119
there were

1405
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,880
residents so you know the people the

1406
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,240
people actually

1407
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:04,800
uh became frightened because uh there

1408
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:05,920
were so many

1409
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:08,000
men every night with guns roaming the

1410
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:09,680
woods and the

1411
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:12,400
big swamp you know around town and they

1412
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,440
didn't want to go outside because they

1413
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:15,280
don't want to get shot by mistake

1414
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:18,160
so what happens what you see happen with

1415
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:20,319
this case is that

1416
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:23,760
the mayor of fussell

1417
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:27,200
is brought a bobcat one day by a local

1418
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:28,400
hunter who who

1419
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:31,040
shot it in the swamp and they bring this

1420
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:32,240
bobcat in and

1421
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:35,280
and fussel when the local sheriff had

1422
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,880
decided look you know we got to do

1423
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:38,720
something to shut this down or it's

1424
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:39,920
going to get out of hand

1425
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:42,079
so fossil takes the opportunity of this

1426
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,119
bobcat being brought

1427
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,839
in and says we've captured the beast

1428
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:47,119
here it is

1429
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,440
and uh they display this this dead

1430
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:51,520
bobcat in the center of town

1431
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:53,440
and put a sign on it this is a beast of

1432
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:55,599
bladenboro and they tell everybody the

1433
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,960
case is over

1434
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:58,880
uh hunters all need to go home work

1435
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:00,079
we're done

1436
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:03,520
and it's uh

1437
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:07,119
you know it it leads to a little bit of

1438
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:09,520
confusion at least to people saying well

1439
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,319
you know everybody else wants it to be

1440
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:14,319
over too right so they say well okay you

1441
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,880
know this is

1442
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:16,960
it there are some other attacks that

1443
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:19,280
happen after the bobcat is brought in

1444
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:22,640
and it doesn't get much

1445
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:25,119
press because people are tired and

1446
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:26,240
people are scared

1447
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:29,040
so the story gets kind of shut down and

1448
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:30,640
eventually all the hunters trickle out

1449
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,359
of town

1450
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:33,280
but it's very clear from all the

1451
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:34,400
accounts that

1452
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:36,079
uh this was not a bobcat that people

1453
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:37,440
were seeing

1454
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:39,040
it wasn't a bomb cat that was attacking

1455
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,880
these animals and and you read what the

1456
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:42,240
attacks were like

1457
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:45,040
no this was not a bobcat so there's a

1458
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:46,880
lot of evidence that the beast of

1459
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,839
bladenboro escaped the clutches of both

1460
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:51,280
the media and the hunters

1461
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,520
in that case and of course there's

1462
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:55,280
legends in the region that

1463
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:56,720
the beast occasionally makes

1464
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:58,559
reappearances and there are still

1465
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:00,960
strange uh attacks that crop up

1466
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,960
occasionally that was the 1950s when the

1467
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,960
beast was around so

1468
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:07,040
it's it's possible that again it's one

1469
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:08,079
of these

1470
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,440
uh you know quote extinct uh

1471
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:13,680
wildcats that you know don't exist

1472
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:14,480
anymore

1473
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,950
yeah you know when i really started

1474
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:22,880
getting involved with these uh

1475
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:24,960
these canines these cryptic canine

1476
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:26,160
sightings

1477
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,599
you know and some of the stuff i was

1478
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:29,280
reading from people stuff that butch was

1479
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,960
getting i was getting

1480
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,119
it it was kind of hard to believe at

1481
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:35,200
first but then again you then you start

1482
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:38,480
listening to these people and telling

1483
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:39,280
you what they

1484
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:42,880
saw i mean they saw something that

1485
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:45,599
really stuck with them and the fact that

1486
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:49,119
you know their descriptions uh

1487
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,640
the one i tell you the ones that really

1488
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:52,319
stuck out with me were like the

1489
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:55,599
the ones that were like described as uh

1490
00:56:03,270 --> 00:55:59,599
hyenas you know wolf-headed hyenas

1491
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,280
right you know um

1492
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,680
that would just sit in the field got it

1493
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:07,440
had a hunter up in uh

1494
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:11,119
center county pennsylvania that was um

1495
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,400
up his tree stand i saw these deer

1496
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:16,079
running something chasing

1497
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:18,319
and it said it looked like two wolves

1498
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,920
jason not pennsylvania doesn't have

1499
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:21,599
wolves anymore apparently

1500
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:24,720
right supposedly but anyway

1501
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:27,839
he's sitting up there in this this

1502
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,359
hyena looking wolf

1503
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:34,079
saunters up to him and he's looking out

1504
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:35,440
over a field

1505
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,799
because he's on the edge of the woods

1506
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:38,480
and this thing sits there and looking up

1507
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:39,760
at him

1508
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,359
just sitting there looking at his head i

1509
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:43,520
swore thing was smiling at me

1510
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:46,640
and you know he just sat there

1511
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:48,559
watching for like 15 minutes got up and

1512
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:50,000
started walking off

1513
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:51,520
he wouldn't come down that tree stand

1514
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:56,069
and he wouldn't shoot it either because

1515
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:58,079
it was that big and he was scared

1516
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:00,799
that this thing would come after it so

1517
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:02,400
you know you hear all these

1518
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,400
weird strange tales you know

1519
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,880
this canine you know these canine side

1520
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:10,880
werewolf settings

1521
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:12,799
uh you know this stuff really picked up

1522
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:14,960
you know of course there were sightings

1523
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:17,040
with the indigenous you know with the

1524
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:19,359
native americans but

1525
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,240
when the germans started moving over

1526
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:24,000
these german farmers started moving into

1527
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:24,799
pennsylvania

1528
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:27,599
and maryland especially they were seeing

1529
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:28,400
these things

1530
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:30,640
and they they were acquainted with them

1531
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,000
from what they had heard

1532
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:34,480
when they were living over in germany

1533
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:35,359
and uh

1534
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:37,280
they swore to god that's what they saw

1535
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:38,720
they were calling it the whale you've

1536
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:40,960
heard that before

1537
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:44,160
and uh you know and

1538
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:46,880
up until mostly the 60s and 70s we were

1539
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:47,680
getting

1540
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:54,000
monitor sightings in pennsylvania now

1541
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:57,599
so who knows what people are seeing

1542
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:59,119
yeah it's hard to say i mean there's

1543
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:00,880
some there's some fascinating

1544
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,240
werewolf folklore that came out of

1545
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,559
pennsylvania because of the unique

1546
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:06,880
uh combination of settlers again that

1547
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:08,319
came in there of course the

1548
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:11,280
the germans brought their uh the germans

1549
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:11,839
and dutch

1550
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:13,760
brought their werewolf traditions and

1551
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:15,920
you know the other influences so

1552
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,160
yeah it's it's it's pretty strange stuff

1553
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:22,960
well david thanks again for coming on

1554
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:23,599
what's uh

1555
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:25,359
what's the next book our books going to

1556
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:26,720
be about

1557
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:28,799
uh actually i'll have one out in

1558
00:58:34,829 --> 00:58:30,960
probably about uh

1559
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,839
a week to two weeks that is haunted

1560
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:36,799
prisons

1561
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:37,920
and there'll be another one coming

1562
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:41,839
pretty soon after that so very good

1563
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:43,760
well i you know have you been able to

1564
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,240
get out some with this covered stuff or

1565
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:48,480
oh yeah i have i've been investigating

1566
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:50,559
cases yeah yeah

1567
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:52,720
it's kind of easy in a sense you know uh

1568
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,319
with a lot of what i do

1569
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:56,480
because you know if i'm out in the back

1570
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:58,400
woods or at home in locations and things

1571
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,920
like that it doesn't yeah

1572
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:01,280
you don't necessarily have to worry

1573
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:03,359
about well that's right

1574
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:05,920
so you know i had dave i had dave

1575
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:06,720
spencer in

1576
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:08,160
a couple weeks ago and he was talking

1577
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:09,920
about that haunted house he

1578
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:11,920
he bought and investigating out there in

1579
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:14,960
indiana and indiana yeah

1580
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,079
that is one crazy story yeah

1581
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:20,640
so and i know you and dave are closed so

1582
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:21,760
um

1583
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:24,160
well again thanks for coming on dave i

1584
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:25,280
really appreciate it

1585
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:27,760
and uh you take care and anything comes

1586
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,799
up give me a call

1587
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,720
hey thanks a lot always a pleasure you

1588
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:32,480
take care now have a good one

1589
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:37,990
now if you have an unexplained encounter

1590
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:39,680
or sighting feel free to contact me

1591
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,240
through the fans of monster blog site

1592
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:44,160
i want to again thank david weatherly

1593
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:46,480
for joining me this evening

1594
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:50,240
and thanks to each and all of you

1595
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:52,480
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1596
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:55,280
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1597
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:57,920
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1598
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:00,480
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1599
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:03,680
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1600
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:06,319
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1601
01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:08,400
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1602
01:00:12,839 --> 01:00:20,030
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1603
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:32,680
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1604
01:00:32,690 --> 01:00:40,829
[Applause]

1605
01:00:40,839 --> 01:00:57,740
so

1606
01:01:11,630 --> 01:01:08,829
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1607
01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:11,640
so